Peptides for better sleep?

The only thing that ever worked well for me was Epitalon right before bed. The effects lasted roughly 2 months after final dose too. DSIP helped with staying asleep, but did nothing for getting to sleep. A future test will be stacking Epitalon with DSIP and my hypothesis says this will be the gold standard, at least for me.

When you say 4–5 hours, do you fall asleep okay and then wake up for good, or is getting to sleep the problem too? Those seem like two different questions.

I'm in a cycle of DSIP subq right now. I've been inconsistent about dosing it, but I do really like it. Doesn't put me to sleep at all, but once I fall asleep I seem to sleep hard. To help me fall asleep I've been listening to podcasts.

Peptide Protocols documented a 14-day Pinealon experiment here: [Pinealon Experiment: Round 2](https://peptideprotocols.app/forum/topic/pinealon-experiment-round-2). There were more vivid dreams toward the end, and maybe a REM benefit, but the overall takeaway was no meaningful improvement in sleep or cognition. I wouldn’t count on Pinealon to fix waking up after 4–5 hours.

Sleeping hard once I’m out sounds nice. Did DSIP help you stay asleep longer, or was it more that the sleep you got felt deeper?

That distinction between falling asleep and staying asleep is helpful. If DSIP helped you stay asleep, did it change your total hours, or did you still wake up around the same time?

Thanks for pointing me to that experiment. I was curious about Pinealon, but that doesn’t sound like a convincing fix for my 4–5 hours.